{"id":9582,"date":"2026-06-05T17:11:31","date_gmt":"2026-06-05T07:11:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/firmable.com\/?post_type=resource_post&#038;p=9582"},"modified":"2026-06-08T09:54:53","modified_gmt":"2026-06-07T23:54:53","slug":"ricky-pearl-on-why-your-outbound-strategy-is-failing-before-the-first-call-is-made","status":"publish","type":"resource_post","link":"https:\/\/firmable.com\/au\/resources\/podcast\/ricky-pearl-on-why-your-outbound-strategy-is-failing-before-the-first-call-is-made\/","title":{"rendered":"Ricky Pearl on why your outbound strategy is failing before the first call is made"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<!-- Firmable \u2013 Podcast Platform Badges -->\n<!-- Drop this snippet wherever you want the badges to appear on your blog post -->\n\n<style>\n  div.podcast-listen {\n    display: flex !important;\n    flex-direction: column !important;\n    gap: 8px !important;\n    margin: 1.5rem 0 !important;\n    font-family: Arial, sans-serif !important;\n  }\n\n  div.podcast-listen p.podcast-listen__label {\n    font-size: 12px !important;\n    font-weight: 600 !important;\n    letter-spacing: 0.08em !important;\n    text-transform: uppercase !important;\n    color: #888 !important;\n    margin: 0 0 0 0 !important;\n    font-family: Arial, sans-serif !important;\n  }\n\n  div.podcast-listen div.podcast-listen__row {\n    display: flex !important;\n    flex-wrap: wrap !important;\n    gap: 10px !important;\n    align-items: center !important;\n  }\n\n  div.podcast-listen a.podcast-badge {\n    display: inline-flex !important;\n    align-items: center !important;\n    gap: 10px !important;\n    padding: 13px 22px !important;\n    border-radius: 10px !important;\n    border: 1.5px solid #d0d0d0 !important;\n    background: #fff !important;\n    text-decoration: none !important;\n    font-size: 15px !important;\n    font-weight: 600 !important;\n    color: #111 !important;\n    transition: background 0.15s ease, border-color 0.15s ease, box-shadow 0.15s ease !important;\n    white-space: nowrap !important;\n  }\n\n  div.podcast-listen a.podcast-badge:hover {\n    background: #f7f7f7 !important;\n    border-color: #c0c0c0 !important;\n    box-shadow: 0 1px 4px rgba(0,0,0,0.06) !important;\n  }\n\n  div.podcast-listen a.podcast-badge svg {\n    flex-shrink: 0 !important;\n    display: block !important;\n  }\n\n  div.podcast-listen a.podcast-badge img {\n    width: 26px !important;\n    height: 26px !important;\n    object-fit: contain !important;\n    flex-shrink: 0 !important;\n    display: block !important;\n  }\n<\/style>\n\n<div class=\"podcast-listen\">\n  <div class=\"podcast-listen__row\">\n\n    <!-- Apple Podcasts -->\n    <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/episode-5-booked-meetings-are-vanity-stop-counting-them\/id1880190506?i=1000768477009\" class=\"podcast-badge\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\n      <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/firmable.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/apple-podcast-150x150.jpeg\" alt=\"Apple Podcasts\" style=\"border-radius:4px;\">\n      Apple Podcasts\n    <\/a>\n\n    <!-- Spotify -->\n    <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/7JUhtt7DzGhe3oVbichqxz?si=5d5cc66d48fe42fd\" class=\"podcast-badge\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\n      <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/firmable.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Spotify_Primary_Logo_RGB_Green-300x300-1-150x150.png\" alt=\"Spotify\" style=\"border-radius:50%;\">\n      Spotify\n    <\/a>\n\n\n    <!-- YouTube -->\n    <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/xww9Db_Ykhc?si=H-1VNjFtgsBJulHe\" class=\"podcast-badge\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\n      <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/firmable.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/YT-podcastimage4-150x150.png\" alt=\"YouTube\" style=\"border-radius:4px;\">\n      YouTube\n    <\/a>\n\n  <\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 id=\"h-about-this-episode\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">About this episode<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Most outbound sales programs fail not because of bad technology or bad reps &#8211; they fail because the most senior decisions are being handed to the most junior people. Ricky Pearl has been inside over 100 Australian startups and knows exactly where the cracks form. This episode is a masterclass in building outbound that actually pays for itself.<br><br>Ricky is the co-founder of Pointer Strategy and a founding member of the Sales Tech ANZ community. Over the last several years, Pointer has worked hands-on with over 100 Aussie seed and Series A companies &#8211; running outsourced SDR functions, then helping teams build in-house. That volume of experience gives Ricky a data set most outbound consultants simply don&#8217;t have.<br><br>In this episode, Ricky and host Paul Perrett dig into what actually separates the top 5% of outbound sales programs from everything else. Ricky shares Pointer&#8217;s average connect rate across two and a half years of campaigns (17.5%), explains why the phone still outperforms every other channel for the right ACV, and breaks down where most early-stage teams go wrong &#8211; including the mistake of handing outbound strategy to an inexperienced SDR and then wondering why it fails.<br><br>They also cover the unit economics of building an SDR function, what to look for when hiring (and why Pointer almost never hires SDRs with experience), how to structure an enablement program that actually closes skill gaps, and why booked meetings is the wrong metric to optimize for. 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